At the end of the book, Waxillium Ladrian is given a feruchemic coin by Hoid which stores the memory of a man with one eye and one hemalurgic spike, with arms covered in scars. When Marasi Colms discovers an agent of the Ghostbloods, Moonlight, she manages to convince her to take Marasi to a warehouse in Bilming to aid in the fight against the Set. Vin paused at her thoughts. [24] After his death, OreSeur takes his bones and appears before several groups of skaa, making them believe that Kelsier survived somehow. Now with over 10 million copies sold, The Mistborn Series has the thrills of a heist story, the twistiness of political intrigue, and the epic scale of a landmark fantasy saga. Donald Mustard, de facto head of Fortnite, is real life friends with Brandon Sanderson, and approached him about getting characters from his books into the game. In conjunction with Southern Scadrian technology, ettmetal can reproduce Allomantic or Feruchemical powers within its vicinity. Elend lived with the weight of not being the man the people wanted. Cause I see what could be considered3 different theories in this one post. Proceed with caution.). If he were a Returned, his name would likely be Lifeseeker, or something along those lines. At some point, Kelsier had the Ghostbloods on Scadrial work in order to resist the oncoming threat of Trell. Despite what he has told the Ghostbloods, Kelsier does not have a real avatar. If were talking about Kelsier getting spiked though, I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. OreSeur incites the skaa to rebel, beginning the revolution and the overthrow of the Final Empire. [6] He is stern and intense, but always smiling; another act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. If it did, the Koloss who died wouldn't have reverted to Humans when Kelsier saw them die. [43][77] Merely interacting with Hoid for a brief amount of time was enough to send Kelsier into a murderous rage. I was depressed for multiple days. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. Kelsier, famously known as the Survivor of Hathsin, is a powerful Mistborn and one of the main characters in Mistborn: The Final Empire . When Bleeder killed Father Bin by nailing him to a wall, it is described as a parody of the Survivor's Statemark,[60] implying that the Statemark depicts the way Kelsier died, impaled by a spear. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. He is almost always late to gatherings, which he attributes to always having somewhere better to be. Hesdead, and presumably to themgoing to the beyondanyway, so even if they spiked him with an attribute, it would just be waste. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. Kelsier is seen to be not fond of the decision, but doesn't let any of his agents to assassinate her. You just posted an irrelevant comment that was honestly a little hostile. He is presumably the founding member of the Ghostbloods, a secret society investigating the Cosmere and ways to travel between all the different worlds. Ranette: Waxs gunsmith and a Lurcher (iron-pulling). Kelsier considers guns to be inelegant weapons. Shes also written one novel and is working on several more. Despite having amassed enough wealth to live comfortably, Kelsier continued planning more heists, looking for bigger challenges in each. . While initially hostile, in the end Kelsier's brother Marsh joined, and together the crew developed a plan to defeat the Final Empire. It depends on whether or not the head of the spear was in him, or poking out the other side without touching him. Is Trell the true Big Bad of Era 2? Gemmel frequently put Kelsier into life and death situations in order to push him to learn how to use his powers. As the Sovereign, Kelsier ruled the Southern Scadrians for a time and formed another religion that deified Metalborn, and then he left. But you can't kill me, Lord Tyrant. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make unsealed metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. MellowKween 21 days ago Hmm well like I said, he's never really gone. Steris Harms Ladrian: Waxs wife and Marasis half-sister. Does that make any sense? He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. Taken in congruence with the events of Secret History, this man appears to be Kelsier. While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. [62] He has also worked together with Khriss. In the event of his death, Kelsier ordered his kandra, OreSeur, to ingest his remains, masquerading as a resurrected holy figure. [76], I don't want to be responsible for something happening to you, Vin. Kelsier sought and eventually found the Eleventh metal as he believed it would help him to defeat the Lord Ruler. Solid in the metal you fed to Elend. Kelsier's own role takes advantage of his Mistborn training, allowing him to assassinate nobles, cause disruptions in the Great Houses and eventually ignite a house war that would tear Luthadel apart from within. Kelsier knocked out Camon with Steelpushes and gave control over the crew to Milev. Even the church of the survivor would be virtually the same. Though he is killed by the Lord Ruler, he watches over Vin as a Cognitive Shadow. [43], Hoid greatly disapproves of Kelsier's interference with Roshar through the Ghostbloods. Id make a world where owers returned, a world with green plants, a world where no soot fell from the sky. Kelsier was central to it all. He also searched far and wide for possible ways to defeat the Lord Ruler, and managed to find an ingot of the fabled Eleventh Metal (he claimed he had found it in the west, which is considered to be a lie. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. [22][23] Perhaps as a result of his egotism and arrogance, several of his plans involve setting himself up as a powerful, mysterious, or even divine figure. Will it be revealed to be the Big Bad of the series after all? He also has medallions which grant him Allomantic abilities. He has been described by Brandon Sanderson as a psychopath. Sazed, after becoming God, grants Spook the power of a Mistborn and heals him of his ultra-enhanced sense (an effect of continuously flaring tin for extended periods of time). [46], During his journey to find the Ire, he runs into Ruin and has a discussion about Ruin's intent. When used Allomantically, the metal is said to burn with a pure whiteness and will slowly be consumed, in the same way it would be by a Misting or Mistborn. While difficult, it is possible to obtain atium and lerasium from ettmetal, but not through mechanical means. Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. . The spear head doesnt have to leave the body. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. Once he is freed from the Well along with Ruin, he initially travels around through the Cognitive version of Luthadel, seeking out his friends. He then asked Preservation if they are God, and after being told yes he promptly punched Preservation in the face. Theres always another secret, but well have answers to some as of November 15th! Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. However, Mare's use of Allomancy was sensed by the Steel Inquisitors (since they could pierce copperclouds), and Kelsier and Mare were captured by the Lord Ruler. Breeze, Ham, Clubs, and Clubs' nephew Spook joined his crew. Kelsier: The Mistborn Survivor of Hathsin who leads the Ghostbloods. The hearts of men are NOT YOUR TOYS. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. After Marsh was seemingly killed by Inquisitors, Kelsier traveled to the Pits of Hathsin, and in his anger, destroyed all the atium-producing crystals there, forever halting the production of atium. He introduced them and Vin to Yeden and explained his plan to destroy the Final Empire and kill the Lord Ruler. And for all of you who feel the theory doesnt have a point, you can just stop posting. A mystery, to be sure. We want to discuss this theory. [39], The plan was to secretly build up an army of twenty thousand trained skaa soldiers in the Arguois caverns while at the same time causing confusion and distrust in the nobility to cause a house war. It's not a sad death. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. If you dont like or understand it, again, move along. After being betrayed by his wife Mare on a job stealing from the Lord Ruler, Kelsier is sent to the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium geodes, one of the most sought-after Allomantic metals. Even though that is the OP, it would also be good to know where the discussion has evolved too, cause I am confused by that too. Dockson once again became Kelsier's organizer and right hand man. With the spike removed, Kelsier encouraged her to take up the power, relinquishing it so that she can do so. As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. It is used to fuel Southern Scadrian Allomantic technology, including their airships, which run via Steelpushing. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. Even if he was though, Im kind of confused at why you think Ruin would want TLR to kill Kelsier instead of Ruin trying to have TLR kill himself somehow. It is relevant because it has spawned 23 posts and created an interesting discussion. You can use this to quickly reference who the various players are, in case youve forgotten. I am hope. We want to discuss this theory. He accomplished a lot, and died facing down the Lord Ruler himself. Kelsier discovered that Mare had given him her only geode, and was forced to watch Mare being beaten to death by the guards. And he didnt have metals as a cognitive shadow, so we have no way of knowing. He told Suit that the Set had decided that allowing civilization on Scadrial to continue was too dangerous and that they decided to remove life on this sphere instead. The creature then activated an explosive device, apparently killing Suit. The Lord Ruler openly thanked Mare for helping his forces find the thieves, and from this, Kelsier was led to the false conclusion that Mare had purposefully betrayed him. The Set was not after the Bands of Mourning as originally believed, but rather the airship and bombs located within the temple. [11] He usually wears a nobleman's suit (a colored vest with dark trousers and a coat), and during the night he wears his mistcloak. That is like arguing with air. I represent that one thing you've never been able to kill, no matter how hard you try. With the help of MeLaan, another kandra, they hunt the killer down, only to discover that its Waxs presumed-dead ex-wife, Lessie; turns out she was Paalm all along. A natural leader, Kelsier used his charismatic personality to draw skilled and loyal Mistings to his own crew and eventually to lead a rebel army. I find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is. Kelsier (aka The Survivor): Kelsier was the leader of the group of thieves who went after the Lord Ruler in the original trilogy, and was the person who recruited Vin. B. from what I do understand, I don't see why it is relevant, and generally, when something is irrelevant it is wrong simply because it is simply adding more complexity to the books (I think we all know the Cosmere has plenty), and is pointless. After speaking with Vin and Elend briefly upon their deaths, he discovers from Sazed that there is a way for him to go back to life. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. He always keeps a smile on his face, because that is the one thing the Lord Ruler can't take from him. Speaking of the Set. Epic previously teased the Mistborn crossover by tweeting out a quote . And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, so is it possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike? Which is kind of how Id always imagined it. Kelsier is one of the titular characters of the first Mistborn novel, leading a crew of ruffians and thieves on a mission to assassinate The Lord Ruler, and end his tyranny over the lands of Scadrial. Lyndsey is a renaissance faire performer and magic wand-maker. Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. Be aware that in its current state, it may not include all additional content yet. the original post says a lot: Are you asking if the rebels were influencedby Ruin? Who, or what, is Trell? As such, I wont be delving into every plot and character nuanceonly the ones which are likely to be relevant toThe Lost Metal. (Aside from the possibility of the spear no longer being a symbol). Other 3D models from the same designer Janseloth All Paalm (deceased): Another kandra, one who posed as Waxs wife Lessie for a time in order to groom him for Harmonys purposes. [33] As a Cognitive Shadow tied to Scadrial, it is difficult for him to travel to other planets via Shadesmar. Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. He congregated a mass of approximately six thousand skaa men to become soldiers in roughly four months and sent them all to Yeden. Kelsier was then trained by a Mistborn named Gemmel[37] and they traveled to the far north of the Western Dominance to a city called Mantiz where Kelsier fought and killed the Mistborn Antillius Shezler. After the fall of the Lord Ruler, Marsh eventually came under control of Ruin, as Ruin used the Hemalurgic nature of the Inquisitors to control them. Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. When Kelsier is offered a deal by the rebel skaa Yeden to overthrow the Lord Ruler, he quickly accepts. Mister Suit had been captured and possibly killed, but Lady Sequence (Telsin) had escaped, and there are rumblings of more devious plots afoot something to do with the kandra who are working for the Set, and Trell. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. [21] There is a darkness to him that other heroes, such as Kaladin, would fight but that Kelsier instead embraces and is so ruthless that, in a fight with other notable people from the cosmere, he would be the most likely to win;[27][28] even Hoid considers him incredibly dangerous. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. Harmony(fka Sazed): Harmony holds the shards of Ruin AND Preservation, and as such is (one of the) god(s) of Scadrial. I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. It is there revealed that it was Kelsier's ghost who stabbed Elend at the end of Well of Ascension, not Preservation. Kelsier draws up a master plan for the job, in which he designates each member of his crew to a role. Kelsier fell in love with a Tineye crewmember of Dockson's retinue named Mare, whom he later married. He is a twinborn, utilizing the Allomantic/Feruchemical skills of Coinshot (pushing metal) and Skimmer (storing his own weight to make himself heavier/lighter). And the Lord Ruler still had a spike in his chest when he stabbed Kelsier. Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc. On 8/3/2018 at 9:16 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said: On 8/2/2018 at 3:22 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, she was shot several times but retained a metalmind and escaped. [48] He ultimately only took a glass orb from them after thwarting their plan to take over become the Vessel of Preservation after Leras' death. He died at the end of the first book in the original trilogy but theres always another secret. [45] They question him on Preservation's appearance after learning he has spoken directly with the Shard, and then continue their discussion onto other topics. I decided that Id see [Mare's] dream fullled. In addition, Kelsier is a competent warrior, defeating multiple Hazekillers and Mistings while outnumbered and disarmed. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. The Bands of Mourning follows our group of heroes as they begin a quest to find the titular Bands of Mourning, a legendary and extraordinarily powerful artifact. Kelsier's estranged brother Marsh also joins, hoping to realize his own dream of a successful Skaa Rebellion despite his disapproval of Kelsier's methods and leaving the rebellion when he had learned Kelsier and Mare had been captured. Here they are. Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. It is relevant because it has spawned 23 posts and created an interesting discussion. Uncanonically, Brandon imagines Kelsier as using a Seon in a trench coat as his 'avatar'. The Lord Ruler served as the target of Kel's final escapade, a superb thief and natural leader. Kelsier also convinces Breeze, Ham and Clubs to join the conspiracy by offering a share of the Lord Ruler's stash of valuable atium as loot. Powers that we know of: Steelpushing (Allomantic) and Bloodmaking (Feruchemical). I do think that an interesting (and relevant)question that is brought up by this theory though is whether or not it is possible to spike a person without killing them. Brandon definitely knew Kelsier wasn't gone from the beginning. The Misborn series comes recommended by Eurogamer friend Johnny Chiodini, who describes Fortnite's latest addition thus: "Kelsier is a thief, but he's also a mistborn - a person who can consume. Im going to proceed with this article under the assumption that youve read it, so if you havent, there will be some MAJOR spoilers. That would have advanced his plans quite nicely. During this time, he attempted a second breakin of Kredik Shaw, and was unsuccessful; nearly getting Vin killed in the process. I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. His healing heals his spiritweb, so it's theoretically possible to use him as an infinite source of spikes.. Of course, the WoB about it just says that spiking Hoid would work very weirdly. He hates injustice and takes this hatred to the extreme, which originally resulted in him being unable to see good in any of the nobility. While held in an Elendel jail, Suit was visited by a mysterious creature with red eyes. [42] Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. Before his death, Kelsier had tried to unlock the potential of the 11th metal, which was rumored to be the Lord Ruler's weakness. I am not trying to shut this theory down as you would say, I am trying to understand the theory, because as you said, I want to discuss it,and your post telling people who dont understand what you are saying because you are so unclear are even more uneccesary, aggressive, and frankly very rude. Please note that there are also some spoilers in here for The Stormlight Archive. It requires the physical anchor of the spike. When Marsh caught Vin in Luthadel, he attacked Ruin with Preservation's power, weakening Ruin's control over Marsh just enough for Marsh to rip out Vin's earring. The Church of the Survivor, or Survivorism, is possibly the most organized of Scadrial's religions in this period, as well as being the clear favorite among the social elite and downtrodden alike. Hiding you. This thread only relatesto Mistborn, and should probably be moved to the mistborn forum,instead of the Cosmere forum, to avoid spoilers. 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